MyDD :: Getting out on a high

Getting out on a high

by hebi, Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:33:13 AM EST

My forecast for Pennsylvania.
Hillary Clinton will score a decent win in Pennsylvania. She'll win high single digits.
On the other hand she will gain allmost nothing in the delegate count. That will make it even more impossible for her to catch up in the only metric that counts in his race.

Shortly after Pennsylvania she will take to the high road again. She will drop out of the race and start supporting Barrack Obama in an effort to build a huge coalition that will make her Senate majority leader in a very blue senate.

Hillary will conclude it's time to turn the page.

Tags: Hillary Clinton, Pennsylvania (all tags)

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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

Doubt it.

by leshrac55 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:38:23 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (2.00 / 2)

"If someone tells you to quit it's because they're afraid you won't."
"If somebody tells you can't win, it's because they're scared that you can"

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:41:45 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

So when people say Iraq is unwinnable its because they're afraid America is really just about to win it? Or is this pablujm only applicable to doomed political canidacies not doomed militray campaigns?

by Socraticsilence on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:43:36 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (2.00 / 1)

I'm pretty sure that the context is important from the statements. A war does not equal a political campaign and it's insulting to soldiers and other servicemen to insinuate that with your above comments. Thanks.

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:38:18 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

The only way I see Senator Clinton depart this race is if the financial situation dictates it. As in, literally no money to pay for campaign staff and activities.

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changiness

by lizardbox on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 03:54:51 AM EST

Unfortunately... (none / 0)

She's ended months in the red two or three times now and that hasn't stopped her. Small AV/catering vendors are going out of business because she hasn't paid them yet.

She seems to have adopted the borrow-and-spend Republican finance policy.

I don't think Hillary Clinton will let something as trivial as money get in her way.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:42:52 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (2.00 / 2)

I am so sick of the calls for Clinton to drop out.

by reggie44pride on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:08:19 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

It's not a call for Clinton to drop out. It's an expectation based on the fact that Hillary Clinton really wants the Democratic Party to win and on the fact that she wants to change the failed Bush policies.
She'll do what she thinks is best for America. She will not fight to the bitter end if she thinks there is no reasonable chance left to become the nominee. My prediction is that she will come to the conclusion that that point is reached if she makes no real progress in the delegate race after Pennsylvania.

by hebi on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:49:51 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (2.00 / 2)

haha she ain't quitting

by rossinatl on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:16:33 AM EST

You haven't been paying attention (2.00 / 3)

She's not a quitter. She also wants all the states to vote---she doesn't like or want to disenfranchise any of the voters.

truthseeker2

by truthseeker2 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 04:24:54 AM EST

Re: You haven't been paying attention (none / 0)

There has never been any need for all states to vote in a primary. This is the first primary in my life where this many states had their votes count for anything. Kerry had enough votes to win after Super Tuesday. And many candidates drop out when they see they can't win or run out of money. So are all the voters after that disenfranchised? No, because that isn't what disenfranchised means.

I think we have a lot of new voters and people who never paid attention to elections before now and don't understand how this process has always worked.

by Becky G on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:43:02 AM EST
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But... (none / 0)

we've never had a primary this close where people actually get to vote where it makes a difference. That is why the voting should continue.

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:55:57 AM EST
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Re: You haven't been paying attention (none / 0)

"she doesn't like or want to disenfranchise any of the voters"

Why then did she support the DNC sanction against MI and FL when speaking up against it could have made a difference and why did she only change her stance when she won the votes there?

by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:40:32 AM EST
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Re: You haven't been paying attention (none / 0)

She didn't and you should quite pushing that fabrication. She supported and signed a promise not to campaign in FL & MI, and that was it. What the DNC did, they did on their own.

He that lives upon hope, will die fasting. -Ben Franklin

by TxDem08 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:13:37 AM EST
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Re: You haven't been paying attention (none / 0)

She also agreed with the DNC that the vote in MI would not count :

"It's clear, this election they're having is not going to count for anything."

-- Sen. Hillary Clinton, on New Hampshire Public Radio, dismissing the Jan. 15 Michigan presidential primary

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/opini on/editorials/chi-0310edit2mar10,0,44199 19.story

Also one of her campaign managers helped devise the penalty against FL/MI:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blumer/ 2008/02/17/ap-lets-hillary-adviser-ickes -play-both-sides-mi-fl-delegate-issue

If you can point to an instance before the primaries where Clinton vocalized opposition to the DNC penalty I will be happy to retract the statement. Until then its pretty clear to me that she was OK with the penalty.

by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:25:15 PM EST
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popular vote (none / 0)

For Obama it now becomes: Faith, hope and CHANGE! And the greatest of these is Change!

by TeresaInPa on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 05:42:09 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (2.00 / 2)

Right! And Obama's poll numbers against McCain would plummet into high 30s by August

You may not agree with What I say but don't forget I am a Democrat

by indydem99 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:15:18 AM EST

someone is high alright (2.00 / 1)

all this speculation, which has been going on for weeks upon weeks of how clinton will get out...it is sorely repetitive, as are the elegies declared in her memory.

to the obamas, it makes no difference if clinton won by 30 points, they would go on with the same old same old diatribe.

let the voters speak, then do your post mortum

by blackflag on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:27:07 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

She is at least 15 million in debt, has gone way right of Bush on Iran. Is now the Armageddon candidate.

Her campaign is a national joke. Go Girl.Please

by telfish on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:41:51 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

lol

Hillary supporter for Barack Obama in 2008

by zcflint05 on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 06:44:30 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

"Shortly after Pennsylvania she will take to the high road again. "

Remind me of a time that she WAS on the high road...

"I am standing with Barack Obama to say, `Yes, we can!'" Hillary Clinton 6/7/08

by feliks on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:13:53 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

She looked like she was going to do it during the debate when she praised Obama and talked about how honored she was that they were running together. I have to admit its been a lot of negativity from her since though.

by DreamsOfABlueNation on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:42:28 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

Always on a "higher" road than Mr. Uniter, Hope and Change. More like he's been Hipe and dirty. Let's remember who started the negative campaigning here... like it or not. HINT: It's NOT the female candidate.

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:58:30 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

I heard a theory that she wants a face-saving way to leave the race. That could happen if she wins PA in single digits. She would know that isn't enough delegates or popular votes to get her anywhere. Then she could appear to be leaving for the good of the party and not as a loser. If I knew that was true I'd be praying for her to win.

by Becky G on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 07:46:55 AM EST

I've suggested that (none / 0)

I thought that she was looking for an elegant way out by Texas/Ohio, but that the reporting that she won both essentially forced her to stay in. My original expectation for PA was that she'd win by single digits and salvage her dignity by going out on a high note, as the diarist suggests. This would earn her enormous sympathy and donations to cover her outstanding bills. I think that it would also guarantee her a senate leadership position after November.

I have come to realize that this is probably just not true, and she actually does intend to stay in the race as long as it takes for her to either win or head to the convention.

I'm not even sure that the superdelegates swinging for Obama (which I'm sure will happen on May 20 or thereabouts) in enough numbers to secure the nomination will convince her to suspend her campaign, because, as we all know, superdelegates can change their minds at any time, up to and including the convention floor.

Thankfully, after the news organizations announce that Obama has hit 2025, he'll be viewed as the general nominee regardless, and he'll be able to start revving up against McCain. Clinton will essentially be Huckabee at that point.

In this avalanche, the pebbles get to vote.

by Dracomicron on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:50:58 AM EST
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Every politician in every primary (none / 0)

has said they will be in it all the way to the convention. My prediction is that Hillary will drop out May 7th after a two state shellacking. The hoped for Obama self destruct will never happen. The delegate numbers will be extra large and visible at that point.
Maybe Bill will talk her off the ledge?

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:58:40 AM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

She'll welcome your support even if it's for the wrong reasons.

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:59:14 AM EST
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5 delegates net (none / 0)

My prediction. Then May 6th. NC and IN. Net 30 for Obama. May 7th, Quittin' time. Sooner would be better for all concerned.
McCain's all on about Ayres, the disgusting little troll. The sooner we train the big guns on him the bigger the Democratic mandate.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 08:08:24 AM EST

Re: 5 delegates net (none / 0)

the disgusting little troll

And do you think that the "disgusting little troll" isn't going to annilate Mr. Hipe and Same come the GE campaign? I could put together an ad for them and I'm a Democrat!

BO has Wright, Rezko, Ayers, typical white person, bitter, no tears for Katrina (btw... where was Mr. Hope and Change after Katrina? Hillary & Bill were down there... Bill helped raise millions in relief. Where was Mr. Race -Card player then????

BO = UNelectable
HRC = Winner

BO v McCain = another Republican in the White House

HRC v McCain = A Democrat in the White House in 01/09

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:05:46 AM EST
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Re: 5 delegates net (none / 0)

you don't think the repugs won't drag up every old felon form the whitewater mess. you don't think they will dredge up everyone that got a pardon and see if they donated money to any clinton endever? That second part, the part Obama hasn't touched, is where they will go, and it will be even uglier.

by IowaMike on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:21:56 AM EST
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Exactly what polls, (with links please) (none / 0)

are you citing to make this wild assertion. I'm so very sorry you hate Obama, but try to clear your head of the fumes and get back to us with proof that Obama can't beat the weakest candidate the repugs have run in decades.

Another aspect you might want to consider is that the nomination is pretty much in the bag for Obama. If you are a Democrat, you might want to stay off the doom and gloom juice and start helping instead of concern trolling.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:51:44 AM EST
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Re: Exactly what polls, (with links please) (none / 0)

I would NEVER help BO. I have said many times here and on other blogs he will NEVER get my vote. And, he DOESN"T have the nomination in the bag as you say. If he did, there would be no primary today. Just the facts. And, he CANNOT win on delegate count alone, without Hillary Clinton dropping out. Just the facts.

I find it so amazing how rabid BO surrogates get when they feel the heat of defeat for him... Today is not going to be a good day for BO or his campaign. But it will be a great day for HRC! Just the facts...

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:35:11 AM EST
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I've asked you for any evidence (none / 0)

that Obama would lose to McCain, and you've given us more hatred. The facts (no caps for me, thanks) are that Obama has an insurmountable lead in delegates. If Hillary winds up with a net of ten, I'll be quite surprised. Ten ain't gonna do it, Einstein. To state otherwise is to be a blind rooter no better than a face-painted stripped to the waist in zero degree weather sports fan down three touchdowns with the two minute warning already sounded.
You may prefer Redstate or some other repug blog when Hillary finally goes down May 7th. I'm sure they'll welcome you with open arms. This blog is all about electing democrats!

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:59:52 AM EST
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LOL (none / 0)

How about for evidene... you just look up at the top of this homepage for who's more competitive with McCcain on the blue maps????

And than you so muc for the BS lecture. I can ALWAY count on BO's Rabid Raiders to tell me where to go! However, I am a Dem, I am on my way out the door for another day of volunteering for HRC here in PA, and I wll hoist a celebratory beer tonight for CLINTON's newest victory in yet another LARGE, state, vs. a caucus sampling.

Ta Ta!

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:13:29 PM EST
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No evidence provided (none / 0)

Case closed, enjoy the kool aid.

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:29:27 PM EST
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Oh, and your precious electoral (none / 0)

map has Pennsylvania and Virginia going red, among others. Not going to happen. Sorry!

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:34:25 PM EST
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Re: Oh, and your precious electoral (none / 0)

not so fast... and you should be the kool-aid drinker... that's the beverage of choice of BO supporters!

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 12:54:15 PM EST
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Whatever you do, don't go here! (none / 0)

your illusions will be shattered.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/ 2008/president/national.html

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:22:18 PM EST
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Ahem... (none / 0)

I believe it will be yours shattered, rather quickly, as in TONIGHT. Funny how you BO RABID raiders come out of the woodwork and swarm when the light is shining!

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:32:40 PM EST
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and nice (none / 0)

to only post 1 poll! Laughable x2

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:36:31 PM EST
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It's a composite, genius (none / 0)

by ReillyDiefenbach on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:46:42 PM EST
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Re: It's a composite, genius (none / 0)

It's ridiculous, idiot

Take it to the Convention! Hillary '08"

by JHL on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 01:52:20 PM EST
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Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

She would not be quiting..
She would be conceding.
During any campaign someone wins and someone loses.
A few days after June 3rd.

Sen. Clinton will thank her avid supporters who had her back during a grueling campaign.
She will talk about the inevitability of a Madam President.
She will talk about the need to get out of Iraq..Health care..

She will talk about now is the time for all Americans to recognize what 8 years of Republicans have done to our lives.

...and I hope that she will be Madam President of the Senate.

"If you want to end war and stuff, you gotta sing loud"...Arlo Guthrie

by nogo war on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 09:17:23 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

A good possibility. Why? Money.

If she can't make a decent argument to donors that she still has a reality based chance of winning this thing, they will stop giving, in fact they already have.

If she doesn't win by 25% +,she need to win by 30%+ in all the remaining contests (NC included, not gonna happen) to catch up in the Popular vote (and will still be behind in the delegate count).

She will start running out of money even faster, and the margins in her big states will close even faster, and this is over after a longer bitter fight. The party is in shambles and the Clinton legacy is damaged. They don't want that (I'm assuming).

by IowaMike on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 10:18:35 AM EST

Re: Getting out on a high (none / 0)

Your crystal ball wishes don't always come true.

by Caldonia on Tue Apr 22, 2008 at 11:18:54 AM EST

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